One Gun, Many Roles: The P365 Breakdown

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to Life Liberty and Equip Podcast. I'm Greg Davis, founder of NeoMag. This podcast is about living boldly, using liberty for good and staying equipped in mindset, skill set and gear for whatever comes your way. Today's episode is ad free but it's made possible by NeoMag. We build innovative American made gear to help you stay better equipped. If you want to support the company and get great gear, head to theneomag.com or support us for free. Subscribe, leave a review and share the podcast. We'd love to hear from you. You can email us directly. You can email me directly personally at Life Liberty equip with1pmail.com also hosting with me today is Nate Hills. Hello, Michael Billings. [00:00:42] Speaker B: What's going on, everybody? [00:00:43] Speaker A: And Tobbles the bubbles. [00:00:45] Speaker C: That. That's not my name. [00:00:47] Speaker A: What? [00:00:47] Speaker C: Definitely. It's definitely not my name. [00:00:49] Speaker D: The more you forget putting his name on there. I'm going to come up with new ones, so. [00:00:52] Speaker A: I love it. [00:00:54] Speaker C: I've been called worse. [00:00:55] Speaker A: I'm going to take all the names off and just see what you come up with. [00:00:57] Speaker D: That's fine. [00:00:59] Speaker B: I was waiting on what's coming in mind. [00:01:01] Speaker D: Tobbles the baubles. [00:01:05] Speaker A: So, Nate, life is pretty boring. [00:01:06] Speaker D: Yeah, I couldn't figure out anything to say. I mean, we all did Easter this weekend, so Easter stuff. Weather is stupid. [00:01:17] Speaker A: It's less stupid today. [00:01:18] Speaker D: Well, for right now, it was 25 degrees when we got up this morning. [00:01:21] Speaker A: It was. [00:01:21] Speaker D: And it's going to be 57. There'll probably be 23 tomorrow morning. So I don't like it. [00:01:28] Speaker A: We're getting closer though. [00:01:29] Speaker D: We're not there yet. We're in April. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Weather Chat isn't the most exciting thing to listen to, but here in Ohio. [00:01:34] Speaker C: No, we all hate it. [00:01:35] Speaker B: It's true. [00:01:36] Speaker D: So, I mean, honestly, other than that though, I don't really have anything going on. April's boring. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Well, I looked at the rest of the rest of the forecast and it's saying like 70s. Like six. Six to 70s. [00:01:46] Speaker D: Yeah. But watch when. When it like clicks over the next day it's going to be 17 degrees. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, at night is still cold [00:01:53] Speaker C: and sad, but I actually brought 70 is perfect. [00:01:56] Speaker D: What was it. Was it Monday tip that I showed you the video of it snowing outside? It was snowing on Monday, but then [00:02:03] Speaker A: like an hour or two later it was. [00:02:05] Speaker D: Yeah, it was sunny and then it rained. It rained Monday night. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been pretty bad. [00:02:09] Speaker D: I. I just. [00:02:10] Speaker B: It's pretty bad. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Well, I Brought the rest of my spring wardrobe. [00:02:13] Speaker D: 50 degrees. [00:02:15] Speaker A: We'll see if I regret that. [00:02:17] Speaker B: No, I froze on the range yesterday. And like, even at the mats, we were all cold and it was snowing and we were like, what is this? It's springtime. [00:02:23] Speaker D: It's April. [00:02:24] Speaker B: So we're assuming now April is going to be, you know, Matt's weekend for USPSA. That's going to be warm. [00:02:29] Speaker D: No, that'd be nice. [00:02:31] Speaker B: 40 degrees. The high is going to be somewhere in the 60s this weekend, but you know, you're starting to match early in the morning. [00:02:36] Speaker D: Yeah, it's still going to be 30 frozen. [00:02:38] Speaker B: Your guns cold. [00:02:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Layer up. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:02:40] Speaker B: It's going to suck. [00:02:42] Speaker D: Other than that. Yeah, that's pretty much it for me. I don't really have anything going on, which is not bad. [00:02:47] Speaker A: No, it's just not great for the podcast. [00:02:51] Speaker D: Nope, nope. Very uninteresting for the podcast. Sorry, everybody, My life is not podcast. [00:02:56] Speaker C: Will you please just make stuff up? [00:02:59] Speaker A: But you know, it's relatable to so many people that listen. I did absolutely nothing. [00:03:02] Speaker C: You know what? [00:03:03] Speaker D: Hey everyone, if you are bored like me, go to Instagram. Looked up the unhinged rancher. Unhide rancher. He just yells at his cows. It's great. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Pretty sure I hunted that guy's property. [00:03:16] Speaker D: He just screams at his cows and it's hilarious. I found him last night and I giggled for probably an hour. His thing literally says that his cows are well taken care of, but occasionally verbally abused. [00:03:31] Speaker B: So. [00:03:32] Speaker D: So there you go. That's something interesting. Go look up the unhinged rancher on Instagram and enjoy. That's it for me. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Well, I had a actually very eventful last couple weeks. I'm looking forward to maybe a little bit less going on. So last weekend. This is a super long story. I'm not gonna tell the whole thing, but I got ordained online and I married a couple. [00:03:56] Speaker D: Yay for online ordination. [00:03:59] Speaker A: That is a extremely easy process if anybody's ever in that situation. Like I got put in. [00:04:06] Speaker D: Anyone can do it, you can do it. [00:04:08] Speaker A: But that was pretty cool. And then I went straight from there. We had a last minute, last minute. I think it'll be like a week or two to plan it. We got a stupid steal of a deal on a Disney trip. So we last minute book flights. Went down to Disney for a few days. First time I took my kids like the kids have ever been. [00:04:30] Speaker D: You were in Florida, so you went to world not land, Right? Got it. [00:04:34] Speaker A: Yep. And so we did three of the parks did Epcot, Magic Kingdom and not. Is that Universal? Universal. [00:04:45] Speaker D: Hollywood Studios. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Hollywood Studios. That's it. And walked like 20,000 steps a day. Our feet were destroyed. And then it came back. As soon as we got back from that, I had like a day to practice. I normally, like, practice rehearse all week long to get ready for leading worship on the following Sunday. Like 24 hours, basically, to memorize all the songs I needed to and played, played Christmas or Christmas, Easter morning. And then I think finally after that, [00:05:13] Speaker D: the weather's like Christmas. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. After that, finally was able to. I spent the rest of the day in my lazy boy in my underwear watching movies. [00:05:23] Speaker D: Happy Easter eggs, kids. Yeah. [00:05:26] Speaker C: Did you. Did you play well? Did you remember all the songs, at least? [00:05:28] Speaker A: I did. Yep. Everything went great. It was a great service. The energy is just so fun for an Easter service. There's. And it's just. It's fun to see the place packed out because you have your, your C and E people that come just for. For Christmas and Easter. So it's. It's so fun to see people come, you know, for that. But just the energy in the room is just really excited. You know, everybody's excited that Jesus is alive. So we celebrated that. And it was good. Good, excellent. Michael's got nothing in here, so wrote [00:06:03] Speaker D: that I had nothing. [00:06:04] Speaker B: I have nothing. No, I actually have a funny story for Easter Sunday. But yeah, honestly, just I've been working on some contracts with the company, kind of getting some things spun up for the NRA event that's coming up to get their teaser video out. So that's been keeping me pretty busy, training on the weekend. And then this weekend was the same training and then cleaning around the house. And Easter Sunday, I got up and I was like, all right, I'm going to go to church this morning. I was like, I'm going to go to the early service. Usually I go to the 10 to 11 service. So I'm thinking 9 o' clock is the service. So it's like 9, 10. I'm walking in, I got a Red Bull in my hand. You know, I had to stop and get a drink to start the morning. And I'm like, I may be missing praise and worship. So I walked in, you know, I see a couple people out there, and I'm saying, good morning. You know, just keep on going like nothing matters. Walked into service and everywhere and sitting down and the pastor's already up, you know, speaking, and it's pretty full, right? So I went lollygag right up to the front in the middle seats and just sat down. And I asked the lady, can I sit beside her? She looked at me, she's like, yeah, of course. And about that time the piano music in the background was coming on as the pastor's talking. So I was like, I'm not at the beginning of the service. So I sat and finished the end of the service, left, went home, had breakfast, came back for the service that started at the appropriate time or I was aware of and set for the end of the second service again. So that was the start of the Easter service. Morning. [00:07:34] Speaker A: But I definitely saw some people do that at my church too. Like after I finished the set I could, I went out, just use the restroom, went down the main hall and I see people walking in and this is 20 plus minutes into the service. So they, and we did shift all of our services back 30 minutes. So they thought that, they thought they were like 10 minutes early, but they're actually 20 some minutes late. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So that was fun. And then I cleaned the house, rearrange the house which became, you know, once you start then it's like, well, I'm going to do this room next. I'm going to do this. So that kept me pretty busy all throughout the day. And then cooked a New York strip because it was nice out, you know, it was warm where you could stand outside. [00:08:11] Speaker D: Easter was nice. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Easter was beautiful. [00:08:13] Speaker D: So snowing the next day. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Yeah, this, this week we're. I'm slammed. This week's a lot of, a lot of range time, a lot of training. We had our product launch or our bundle for the month last week, so that kept us pretty tied up. And then this weekend is strictly competition shooting. I've got a two gun mat Saturday and then I've got. No, I'm sorry, a USPSA match. No, this is correct. A two gun match Saturday at DSS and then I'm heading down to Achille Hills Tacticals range. Arrowhead or arrow training concept, it's one of those. But I'm going down to AHT's training facility to shoot their USPSA match on Sunday. So full weekend of shooting. I got my ammo in yesterday, so I'm grateful for that. I had one malfunction is I ran out of ammo. I had to have a reshoot the last match and I borrowed somebody like 10 rounds and then those 10 rounds I had a malfunction. So I was like, we're not having [00:09:09] Speaker C: this problem, of course. [00:09:11] Speaker D: Aero Concepts Training Center Actc There it is. [00:09:16] Speaker A: So just kind of copied off that. So I was talking to Rick just yesterday and so we did a video with him. He came in here, we did a video looking at this crazy rifle that he built and we posted that video. That video is doing really good. If anybody wants to watch it, it's on our YouTube channel. We kind of reviewed. We kind of piece by piece went through the rifle he uses. A couple of our of our products on there shout out to the rigs and sentry strip he has in there. [00:09:43] Speaker D: Yep, yep. [00:09:44] Speaker A: And. But, but that most of the comments on that video are people like they [00:09:50] Speaker B: want to see him shoot it. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Yes. Let's see you shoot it. So I talked to him about us getting together. We might. So there's a few options. We could either go to Thunder Valley but you can shoot out to a mile there. We go to Andrew's place. I think he goes out to. Wait 800 there. I think. [00:10:05] Speaker D: Yeah, I think it's 800. It's not quite a thousand but it's. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Southington goes. I believe they're long. [00:10:11] Speaker D: Long range. [00:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And then. But his range is, is going to. He said their, their long range will be open like end of June and I think he was one of us to kind of wait for that because I think he would like the extra, you know. [00:10:25] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:26] Speaker A: For sure. Kind of promotion on that. I'm not sure how far his range is going to go out to. [00:10:30] Speaker D: I don't know. He said when he was here. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I can't remember what. [00:10:34] Speaker D: I cannot confirm. I feel like he said five or six. I don't think he can quite get out to 800. I might be wrong. Rick. Sorry if I'm wrong. [00:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:41] Speaker D: I think it's five or six. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:42] Speaker B: I'm butchering the name of his facility and everything today. But if you guys haven't checked out that video, go check it out. It's on our YouTube channel. It's a long form video but we go through Rick's entire rifle build from his time and experience in the military, law enforcement. [00:10:55] Speaker A: Ridiculous. [00:10:55] Speaker B: To every outfitted feature on that rifle. That's nice. That's really nice. [00:11:01] Speaker A: Very nice. Tim, what's going on? [00:11:05] Speaker C: Well, I'm going to mention Easter as well. I know we all mentioned it, but I think I realized this year that Easter is now my favorite holiday. It's always was Christmas growing up, but I think this year it dawned on me that Easter season is now my favorite. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:21] Speaker C: So I think that's a little change in my mindset like if you told me a few years ago that I was going to go to church five out of the seven days in a row and I would be super excited, I probably would have laughed at you for it. But it was the highlight of the season. I loved it. It was great. There's so many beautiful things we do. So it was good. [00:11:38] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yeah. [00:11:40] Speaker C: We started doing some college tours with my daughter, which is also awesome but really scary at the same time. So we were touring some local colleges and helping her, you know, narrow down her selection of what college she's going to go to. And she's going to stay local whether she likes it or not. She's not going away. [00:11:59] Speaker D: You keep saying that, but she. [00:12:01] Speaker A: That's only going to drive her further. [00:12:04] Speaker C: Oh, no, I say it kidding. And I don't say it to her. I just try to. I try to give her pros and cons and she knows it's her decision 110%. You know, from a cost perspective, it just makes a lot more sense to stay in state. [00:12:18] Speaker D: Absolutely. [00:12:18] Speaker C: But that's up to her. I am super grateful that I got. Were you gonna say something, Mike? [00:12:24] Speaker B: I was just saying if the gas prices keep going up, she can stay local. [00:12:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:30] Speaker C: Super grateful that I got back to the gym. I had to take about two months off and I couldn't go to the gym because I tweaked my wrist a little bit. And I've been to the gym like three times now and I am super grateful for that because I was getting very aggravated that I could not work out. So very, very grateful for that. And I got vacation in about 10ish days. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Nice. [00:12:51] Speaker C: And I'm also very much grateful and looking forward to that. [00:12:56] Speaker D: Yeah, vacations are good, especially to the islands. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. [00:13:01] Speaker C: I want to go sit on a beach and drink rum for nine days. [00:13:05] Speaker A: That's a lot of rum. [00:13:07] Speaker C: Well, I have to drive so it won't be that much. Rumors. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Why is the rum always gone? [00:13:13] Speaker D: Rum, rum, rum. [00:13:15] Speaker B: I was thinking island. You guys can have the room. [00:13:18] Speaker D: I take both. I would take both. That'd be nice. [00:13:23] Speaker A: So this week I thought we would. So this week our. What do you call it? [00:13:30] Speaker D: Format. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Format. Thank you. [00:13:31] Speaker D: You're welcome. [00:13:32] Speaker A: Is kind of our life liberty equipped and we are having a lot of fun with pre recording these and because we can touch guns. That's true. The last season we weren't really, really able to do that. So once again we are going to talk guns because we have some guns in front of us. Here we can actually touch them and show you guys things. And I meant to bring in another camera. I'm going to get another camera for some close up stuff so we don't have to keep going up there. But I thought we'd kind of talk about the P365 platform. I threw this out there to Nate. Actually. I think the last time we did episode I was going to talk about a gun. I think Nate ended up talking about a gun. You want to talk about the. I think you want to talk about your new 365. And I stiff armed you. And I said no. [00:14:18] Speaker D: Yeah, subject all by itself. [00:14:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I said, I think next one. I think that actually would. Would make a good episode all by itself to Nate. Even though he hasn't own one. He thought it would be a great topic. So he's going to be our. [00:14:29] Speaker D: I am the only non Sig person here. I mean I literally don't own anything. Sick. [00:14:36] Speaker A: That's true. Are they single one? Not. [00:14:39] Speaker D: Not anything. [00:14:41] Speaker A: So our camera just adjusted up. I don't know what adjusted up means. [00:14:46] Speaker C: I didn't want to interrupt you talking but the camera just went up. You wouldn't if you. Yeah, you can see much higher than before. I don't know. [00:14:53] Speaker A: How did that happen? [00:14:54] Speaker B: I got you. [00:14:55] Speaker A: You got it. All right. So yeah, we're going to talk about the P365. Just to give a little kind of history lesson on the P365. If you can think all the way back to 2018. [00:15:07] Speaker D: So long, so long ago. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Eight years. The OGP 365 came out, which is the little. I have one of those in my safe too. I should have brought those. Which is a little what, ten round super slim line. But it was crazy revolutionary. It really was like to fit. That blew everybody's mind. The fact you could fit ten rounds into that. [00:15:29] Speaker D: I still don't. [00:15:29] Speaker A: Small of a gun. I don't. [00:15:31] Speaker D: I think it's fake. I think it's witchcraft. [00:15:33] Speaker A: It's wizardry. [00:15:34] Speaker D: It doesn't make any sense. [00:15:35] Speaker A: You can do that. [00:15:35] Speaker D: It's a Hogwarts gun. [00:15:37] Speaker A: And then a year later they came off the XL. So I did not buy the P365. If you remember back to that. There. There are actually quite a few issues. Quite a few issues with it. Yeah. [00:15:45] Speaker D: I mean it's. It's a. Sorry. Typical. Here's my. My grumpiness. It's a typical Sig launch. They like to do their QC and testing on their customers. [00:15:55] Speaker A: So that's what they Did. They did. Eventually that got fixed and it's in, thankfully, because it's really turned into, in my opinion, one of the best firearm products that's come out. And so then the next one that came out is xl. I did buy one of those. It was. The grip on it was. Went from a 10 round to a 12. [00:16:18] Speaker D: Came with. [00:16:19] Speaker A: It used to come with a 12 and 15 round magazine. We found out yesterday it no longer [00:16:23] Speaker D: comes with a 15 round magazine. [00:16:24] Speaker A: No longer comes with a 15. [00:16:25] Speaker D: It continued the 15 round magazine. [00:16:26] Speaker A: So it comes to two 12s now, which I think is a bummer. But you can get 17 round mags now. You can get. I'm kind of jumping ahead here. You can get 17, 21 and 27. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:38] Speaker D: 10, 12, 17, 17, 21. I didn't know they did the 27. That's absurd. [00:16:45] Speaker A: 25, 27, something like that. Yeah, it's nutty. And then a year later they came out with the sas. I don't know if they even still make this. I've never seen one in the wild. I've seen a lot of 365s. I'm sure they probably still made. [00:16:59] Speaker C: I did a review on the sas. It's weird. [00:17:01] Speaker A: Did you? [00:17:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't care for it. [00:17:05] Speaker A: Well, since you did the review, what was the whole. The whole thing. [00:17:08] Speaker C: So it was like a weird small holographic site that you had to line up correctly. But the problem was it in certain lighting conditions, it got all wonky. Like if you were doing a low light training with it, the site got. There was no front sight, it was just a rear sight all built into one. I don't remember how to explain it, [00:17:28] Speaker A: but I didn't care for it. Yeah, the whole top of it was basically flush. Everything was recessed into the slide. [00:17:35] Speaker D: I don't like that. [00:17:38] Speaker A: I would love to know, in the history of pistol carrying, has anybody ever had not been able to draw the gun because it got stuck on a. On a little tiny front sight? Iron sight. [00:17:50] Speaker D: I mean, I'm sure. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I mean, I'm sure somebody has caught a sight on something. Yeah, but not enough to be like, I have to get rid of it. [00:18:00] Speaker A: Right. [00:18:01] Speaker D: Although with red dots. Do you really need iron sights? I don't know, but whatever. [00:18:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker D: Anyway. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Yeah, so they came out in 2020. I think a lot of people kind of scoffed at that. Like, what are you doing? Year later they came out with the X and now you could start kind of switching stuff in and out. You Mix and match slides and grip modules and stuff like that. 22 they came out with the X macro. This is. I end up, I ended up selling my XL and buying an X macro because I had 17 rounds now. And that again that was mind blowing because this gun so still doesn't make any sense is you know the, the. I think the most common, most thought about 17 round handgun that you could think of is a Glock 17. [00:18:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:18:47] Speaker A: And this gun feels like half the size of a Glock 17. Yet it has the same, same capacity. It just, it blew my mind. And I'm like yep, I need that. And I will say the X, the X macro has the, has the porting in doesn't do anything. [00:19:01] Speaker D: Well I will say they, they have. We talked about that in our last gun chatting. So we're talking about porting and I said that it doesn't do anything. Which I still maintain that it doesn't. But when they released X macro they just. I think it was only that model. You can get next macro now that's not ported. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:17] Speaker D: So you don't have to have the non porting porting that they did if you'd like to. [00:19:24] Speaker A: And now they have Tacops. They have Legion metal frames. They have. It's not on my list here. [00:19:30] Speaker D: But the fuse. [00:19:31] Speaker A: The fuse. There's like a new maybe. Maybe I'm thinking Attack Ops. The. I think it's Attack Ops is probably the biggest. It's got the longest slide, longest grip. I mean it really does start to. At this point it's starting to rival a320. [00:19:46] Speaker D: Yeah, it's just not as thick. Yeah, like it's just narrower than a 320. You're getting all the same length of grip, the same length of slide. It's just a narrower gun and you [00:19:57] Speaker A: have a lower bore height. [00:19:59] Speaker D: Yep. [00:20:00] Speaker A: It's thinner, lighter. I don't know. Like do you guys think this gun. [00:20:04] Speaker D: It's also not self shooting either. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah. How's that going for it? [00:20:10] Speaker C: I was waiting, I was waiting to get in there. [00:20:13] Speaker A: Do you guys think this, this gun. And again I'm probably jumping ahead so I got stuff on that we can kind of talk about here. We don't have to do in this order but do you think this gun is going to eventually like replace. I don't know if they replaced the 320 but you know it's. This gun rivals so many, so many guns now. Like it rivals your little Glock 48. So it's actually 43, 48 came out after This, I think those were more of a response to this, this gun. But it also kind of even taps into some full size gun stuff. I mean now you can, you have 25 or 27 round mags and, and you know, full size grips and slides. I don't know what you guys think it's gonna, it would take over any of those. Or [00:21:06] Speaker D: I think one of the issues we actually were not with this brand but with another one talking about how like you're talking about the bodyguard, the Smith bodyguard. And it's not an M and P in there. It's not in their M and P line. It's separate. Although the aesthetics look the same. But I think the argument that Smith would make for that is that it is not a military or police weapon, which is why it doesn't have the M and P name. I think that SIG, short of more issues with the 320, which we don't really need to get into that discussion, this, the issue with the.365 is I don't think it meets the size requirements of most departments and military to be used in that way. I think it's perfectly capable of doing the job. Especially with some of these. Again, longer slides, longer grips. It's perfectly capable of doing that job. I just think that departments and military are going to have their odd list of requirements that this is not big enough. And I don't mean slide or like length of barrel or it's just not fit for duty. Yeah, duty rated. I don't know that that's actually a fair thing to say about it. But I think that's what people would argue is that it's not a duty sized or duty rated pistol. [00:22:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I think, I think to piggyback off that it will take a lot of the compact sales away. Like if someone's looking at a Glock 19, there's really no need for it. However, if someone wants a competition gun or if somebody wants a duty weapon, this is, this is not that. If I'm going to go shoot a competition or go to an all day training class or something, I'm probably going to break out my full size Walther pdp. But for carry and for just running drills at the range, it's more than capable of doing all of that. Even home defense, I have no problem using this as a home defense weapon as well. [00:22:59] Speaker A: Yeah. So the other thing that, that really set this gun apart is the fcu. As far as I know, SIG is the first company to do an fcu. I remember I had A buddy, I don't know, probably 15 years ago. I can't remember what the. Sean. [00:23:19] Speaker D: But yeah, it was the. [00:23:22] Speaker A: I'll say.240. That's not. [00:23:24] Speaker D: It's a Sig. I'll look it up, you just keep. [00:23:27] Speaker C: It was some double action only it's a hammer fired version of the 320. [00:23:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And I remember him telling me like the whole reason he bought it is because of the, of the FCU and he was like, you know I can buy this, buy this one and all I gotta buy do is buy a 30 grip or whatever and I can have about 250. [00:23:44] Speaker C: Excuse me? [00:23:45] Speaker A: 250. 250. That's close to the 240. And so anyway this also has an FCU so the whole trigger mechanism can come out. And the trigger mechanism is what is serialized. So it's not the grip anymore, it's. It's just that. So you can take this thing out and drop it in. And in front of us here we've got three or four different grip types. I know TIB's got at least one or two over there. So we've got a tyrant Mike's holding now. What's that one, Mike? [00:24:20] Speaker B: That is the Icarus Icarus. [00:24:24] Speaker A: I have an Icarus polymer. The Icarus metal one that he got. [00:24:27] Speaker D: Yeah, this is Icarus metal, not. Not polymer. Which is pretty awesome actually. [00:24:32] Speaker A: It feels. That's probably the best feeling grip in my opinion. [00:24:37] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:24:38] Speaker D: Well and in this case going back to size like Tib, I would actually say this one because they flared the grip out on this one. This one would be great for all day class or something like that anyways. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that gun you could definitely do an all day class with. And I actually really like the Icarus polymer. That's the stock one. [00:25:00] Speaker D: Yeah, that's the stock one. So we have. This is the only stock part or stock grip anyways. You have a stock slide but this is the only stock grip we actually have on the table. The rest of them are made by somebody else. [00:25:12] Speaker B: That's kind of funny. Yeah, I don't know of any other company out there that's done like an FCU and that since now there's a lot of drop in triggers for rifles. And when they came with the FCU line I was really, really impressed with that. I did like that too because I came from. I started with the Smith was my first purchase ever was an M P. It got stolen. I bought another one. But when I started training I was training with the 226 with a decocker, I absolutely loved it. But a 12 pound trigger pull, right? And then I was like, okay, I need to get something along the lines. And I stayed in that realm of sig and got the 320. And until all of the hiccups with the 320 it became the flux rater again. Another option and invariable. But to all of your guys's point, like duty rated. I don't know what they justify as duty rated outside of a department set standard from some higher up potentially. And I could be completely wrong on that too. But outside of that, yeah. Some of these slides and frames, when you customize them most certainly could serve the purpose of what they're intended for from protection or defense or anything. In regards to duty. I do believe that when you go down that line of having so much capability of customization, that's where the standards have to be set. With a department or a military that's like, okay, we can't have all of this because everything starts to change and then not everybody's the same. With the frames like, like you guys said. The metal frame that I got with Icarus in this setup with the arc division, slide and comp, Porter barrel and comp. Absolutely. It's a 17 plus round magazine. You can now go to 25, which I would never carry. 25 maybe you know, in a back pocket or something if I'm doing security or. [00:26:56] Speaker D: With a Neo Mag. [00:26:57] Speaker B: Right? With a Neo Mag in the pocket. Right, Exactly. So I do believe. Ding ding, ding. Both. Both the capability of the FCU and, and the modification, that's it. Glock is, is a close competitor though honestly in the sense of aftermarket components. Sig makes all their parts and then the frames other companies make. And I like that. But there's other companies. Let me rephrase that. Glock has more aftermarket components and companies. I do see the shift in SIG with the 365 variants coming along that lines of being a competitor. But I don't see it being a top end competitor in the market. Even with the ability to have a drop in trigger, if that makes sense. [00:27:43] Speaker A: I say but your gun is the only thing Sig on that is the fcu. [00:27:46] Speaker B: Yeah, the only thing. [00:27:47] Speaker A: Slide, barrel, grip, everything on that gun, it's completely different is, is completely built. So like you've got now you have everything from completely stock, which you know, Sig has plenty of stock options all the way to, to completely custom. And I just never seen anything like that. There is one other company now that has a fcu. [00:28:12] Speaker C: There's a couple. [00:28:13] Speaker B: Two. [00:28:13] Speaker D: There's two now there's at least two. Because the Zev. [00:28:16] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, yeah, that's right. [00:28:17] Speaker D: You're talking about now Zev. I don't think it's not going to have the support like it's. You're. I think you're kind of stuck with what ZEV offers. So they're grips too, their slide. Does Icarus have their own fc? Oh, does Icarus make slides? [00:28:30] Speaker C: They mean grips for. For the Zev. [00:28:32] Speaker D: Oh, okay. And then Springfield of the Echelon. [00:28:36] Speaker A: Springfield Echelon. [00:28:37] Speaker C: Also the Beretta, the A Rex, the Ruger, the Masada. There's a whole bunch of them. [00:28:43] Speaker D: No. [00:28:43] Speaker B: Oh wow. [00:28:44] Speaker A: Or I mean like did those come out since. [00:28:48] Speaker C: Yeah, so yeah, since. So the Beretta APX has removable the. The Springfield Echelon like you said The ZEV, the HKCC9 is removable. A Rex Delta is removable. Ruger, RXM, Masada Slim, they all have removable FCUs. They don't have the Apple market support like the P365 5. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Right, correct. Glock has too. And they've had it for a long time. [00:29:08] Speaker D: But you got to remember, Glock has been around. I think the first Glock was made in what, 19.80 something and they haven't changed. Well, right, but it's perfection. But the point is, except for the Gen 6, there's a reason they have more aftermarket support. The Sig 365 has only been out since, what do we say, 2018. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it hasn't been out long, so. And they've come out with so many different variables. [00:29:30] Speaker D: I was gonna say it's eight year. It's an eight year old gun. And I still would say that it's rivaling the aftermarket support of Glock in popularity and usage. And I mean Glock, you can't buy other frame. I mean you can buy other frames. It's a whole serialized gun that you're buying and everything versus this. You could literally have one FCU to be made into whatever gun you want. You know, to be like switching out barrels, switching out slides, switching. Switching out frames. [00:29:58] Speaker B: I mean mine was a 320 and dropped in another FCU for 365 for one time. [00:30:03] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean three of the frames on this table are Greg's and can be made. I mean now these are all X macro size frames, but you have the configuration right there. You can literally make three different guns. You were actually just saying, talking about potentially buying one or two more FCUs. Build these back out. [00:30:22] Speaker A: I got these grips laying around here. Might as well turn them into guns. [00:30:24] Speaker D: Yeah, but the cool part is if you're on a quote unquote budget, then you don't want to buy a bunch of serialized guns over time. Buy a new slide, buy a new frame. Yeah, you can build multiple guns out of one trigger, which for training value is good $400. [00:30:44] Speaker B: You know, for the FCU, that's. That's better than $800 out the door or, you know, when we get to lights and optics and cuts and everything. So, like you said, building over time is a great way to go. And this gives you an option. And, you know, once you spend $40 for a really nice frame, I mean, $40 sounds like it's so inexpensive, but you're getting the quality out of the frames. Like, it's just going to excite you more to be like, all right, let's, you know, let's work and build and get to the next part or component. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Well, because, you know, I said my first 365 was. That was the XL, but I didn't love. I wanted more capacity. I think that that was the thing that sold me on it is, you know, full grip on your hand and the capacity. Back then, there weren't quite the opport. Like, there weren't as many things in the aftermarket. So I had to buy a new. Like, I had to buy a new gun just because it wasn't. It's as much aftermarket, you know, now if, you know, if the next new thing comes out, a new slide that I want or a new grip or something like that, I can just buy that one thing and. And change it all. So as. As your needs or wants, probably not needs as your wants change with this gun platform, you can. You can just change it along with it. That's pretty cool. To answer your question about the first Glock, says the first Glock was adopted by the Austrian military in 1982. Okay, so it was early. [00:32:07] Speaker D: It was even earlier than I thought. I was thinking it was like 1986 or something like that. So there you go. The. The Glock has been around for over 40 years. You know, the Glock as a product has been around for over 40 years. So it makes sense that the aftermarket support with the most commonly modified pistol, I would still say it's probably just because of time and data, the most commonly modified pistol out there. So, yeah, of course it's gonna have more aftermarket support than sig. The365, which again is only eight years old. It has five times the life of the Sig. And I'd say the Sig is already rivaling in aftermarket support. Yeah. [00:32:46] Speaker C: Have you guys ever seen the videos? When the Glocks first came out, the anti gun congress people were saying how the Tupperware gun, it's a polymer gun so you can walk right through a metal detector and it won't even go off. We can't have these guns in this country. And. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that's funny. [00:33:03] Speaker C: Look it up is funny. [00:33:04] Speaker D: It is funny. [00:33:05] Speaker A: You mean politicians don't know anything about guns? What? [00:33:07] Speaker D: Shocker. [00:33:08] Speaker C: And they're. Wait, politicians lie. [00:33:11] Speaker D: What? [00:33:11] Speaker A: No, just look at two notes here. Anything else that. So let's talk about the. Even beyond this grip, we now have companies like Flux and Tyrant that are now making. Tib's gonna hold some up here. If you guys. To see if you're, if you're watching the Tyrant I think is my favorite. I like the deployment on it. So you have a Flux which if you're, if you aren't familiar with what this, this is, it's basically a pistol grip. With a pistol grip, that's your spare magazine. So you can have your, have a spare in it and then you have a. It's not a sock, it's a brace. Brace, right. Or is it a stock? [00:33:57] Speaker D: No, it is a brace. [00:33:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:58] Speaker C: Brace. [00:33:59] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:33:59] Speaker A: Okay. And most of them have like a spring loaded brace. So you hit a little button and it pops out and now you're, now you're able to take something that has what, a 3 inch barrel or something like that and essentially shoot it like a, like an sbr. [00:34:14] Speaker B: It's like a small three point of contact. [00:34:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Getting that. Yeah. Because that can be the, the hard part with us. And we kind of talked about this, this earlier. Well, I did mention it. You know, if you take an all day class, which you know, Nate, when you and I went down and did that class a year or two ago. [00:34:33] Speaker D: Two years ago, Yeah. [00:34:34] Speaker A: I was carrying this gun at the time and I thought about taking Scott's class with this gun. But I'm like, I don't know if I want to shoot that little of a gun the whole time. Even the XL the whole time. Because we're going to put, I mean how many rounds we put down range. [00:34:46] Speaker D: So at least I think we're, I think we brought like 1200 and I think we shot most of it. Yeah, like 1200 each. [00:34:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:52] Speaker D: So 2,400 rounds between the Two of [00:34:54] Speaker A: us, it'd be a lot of shooting through this. So I still, I'm with Tib. If I'm gonna take an all day class, all weekend class, I'm probably gonna still pick a, a legit full size gun. But with this. [00:35:06] Speaker C: Unless it's a concealed carry class. Absolutely. [00:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, Scott's class is kind of a high performance. Yeah. High performance, high speed, low Dragon. [00:35:14] Speaker D: Yep. [00:35:15] Speaker A: Type of class. Want to go fast, but. Yeah. So back to the Flux type of thing. It's, it's cool to even see the opportunities go that direction where you can kind of build something even more unique than, than, you know, just a pistol. And I was trying to think like, do you think, do you think there's anything else that would, that would, that would come out? Do you think like maybe putting the FCU in more of a rifle? I mean chassis would make any sense. [00:35:50] Speaker D: I could see a Sig, like because the Flux is not a pcc, push in that direction. But I could see somebody coming out with something that essentially looks like the old HK. What's called MP7. Yeah, like the MP7 style thing. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Oh, that'd be cool. [00:36:12] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, something about that size. Because there is, I mean you probably could do some kind of like the old Beretta Storm PX4 storm rifle type of thing. They could do something like that even. But I would, I would think just based on what it is and how things are, I would say more of that HK MP7. Look, I could see that being a super cool thing that people do. I mean it's pretty similar to what the Flux is. You just would add a little bit more. [00:36:40] Speaker B: That's kind of what I did with my NT. Like they have the TP9, the AP9, the BPN9, like all acronyms, but I have the GHM9, which stands for the grasshopper. And it's, it's a PCC. It's. Well, it's a 9 millimeter carbine. But you know, put a folder on it, put laser, put lights on it, put you, you can deck it out just like you did for an MP7 or the flux. Especially a lot of the guys with the Flux, they put like lasers, lights, silencer on it, everything. Like you can completely customize it and build it out to be as, you know, quote unquote, tactical as you want it to be, or as operator as you want it to be, or as plain as Tibbs has shown in his example, just an EDC for the 365. [00:37:21] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:37:23] Speaker A: It's pretty wise. [00:37:24] Speaker C: I like these little Flux and Tyrant adapters for a couple reasons. One, it's not, it's not going to be as effective as a rifle. Don't. Don't expect it to be. It's not what they're made for. But the effectiveness compared to a handgun is off the chart. Michael said it earlier, that third point of contact in your shoulder makes a huge, huge difference. And I like the magazine interchangeability because I carry the.365 in my pistol. I throw the Flux Raider in my bag. Like when we went and tore to school a couple weeks ago, I had the Flux Raider in my grab bag. I had two spare magazines that will work in the Flux Raider or it will work in my, my Sig handgun. So now pretty well adapted for just about anything. [00:38:08] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean that's, it's a pretty neat setup from that perspective that you can have that third point of contact. And the only thing you need to do, which maybe some people will scoff at me for this, but the only thing you really need to do is buy the Raider or in the other case the Tyrant chassis, throw your FCU in it and throw your slide on top and off you are to the races. The magazines all work, so you don't need to buy new mags for this. The only thing you have to do is decide if you want to add lights or add lasers or add any of that stuff. Like it's. It's literally as simple as dropping your trigger and dropping a slide on top of it and go into the range. Now does the, the Tyrant and the Flux tip. I know you've talked about this in the past and a lot of these companies when they send you a frame, do not include the magazine release. Do the Tyrant in the. The. [00:38:56] Speaker C: It's different. Yeah, it is built in because it is a totally. So there's the one on the. If you're watching, the Tyrant designs are pretty standard to this, to the Sig. And then the spare mag is built in as well. [00:39:09] Speaker D: Okay. Just because I know some of these companies don't send like a mag release, which I always think is kind of odd. [00:39:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I had to buy a new new mag release for each one of [00:39:17] Speaker D: these, which I did too. I mean it's fine. It just seems odd to me, like that's part of the frame. [00:39:22] Speaker C: Just especially when you're buying like a four or five hundred dollar aluminum or steel grip. Like throw me a bone and throw the mag release in there. If it's a $40 polymer grip. Okay. Whatever. [00:39:32] Speaker D: Yeah. But anyways, so in the case of those, both of those chassis guns, you don't even have to do that. They've already got that. So you're literally just putting your trigger and your slide in it and off you go. Yeah, that simple. [00:39:45] Speaker C: Which they better because they're like six plus hundred dollars. [00:39:50] Speaker A: I wonder, I was thinking a lot here. I wonder if anybody will make. I'm sure SIG has patents and stuff on it. But if anybody else will can make fcus then Sig for the Sigma. [00:40:04] Speaker D: Oh, oh, oh, you mean if there'll be somebody. Yeah, I gotcha. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Like yeah, yeah, you're gonna get immediately [00:40:11] Speaker C: boards message real quick. [00:40:14] Speaker A: I'm not making it, I'm not making it. [00:40:17] Speaker C: Yeah, you want. You're gonna battle that SIG money. [00:40:20] Speaker A: Good luck. Yeah, they got plenty of that. [00:40:23] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know. I mean it's possible in theory you could unless there's patents and all that [00:40:30] Speaker C: kind of stuff on there around their patents. [00:40:32] Speaker A: I'm sure be surprised there wasn't pendant. [00:40:34] Speaker D: But if you could, it would be interesting to see other people come out with a SIG365 compatible FCU. Because at some point, like in the case of Michael's gun, which is entirely non Sig except for the FCU, he could literally have a non sig sig365. Like it becomes the. Well, because you can't even call. I don't know what you call it. [00:40:54] Speaker A: I don't even know what you call it. [00:40:54] Speaker D: The Franken 65. I'm not sure I like it. I don't think it's a bad thing. I just. [00:41:00] Speaker B: I like the name Frankenstein. The Franken365. [00:41:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:03] Speaker D: So at some point you've just built something that doesn't actually have. If that became the case, if someone could make a non sig FCU, you could have a 365. That has nothing to do with Sig Sauer. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I'd be curious if any of these other scu, especially the Springfield, I think it'd probably be the most, most common which they don't call an fcu. They call it the cog. The COG Central Operating Group. I'm sure. Yeah. And because that, that gun is a bigger gun, you know this, this the FCU for the sig, you're kind of limited by the size of it for the size of slide you could put on, I'm assuming. [00:41:45] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Whereas the Echelon is a more of a full size gun, right? [00:41:49] Speaker D: Yeah, it's more like a Glock 19. [00:41:50] Speaker C: 19 or 17. [00:41:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:52] Speaker D: It's going to be thicker. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'd be curious if that FCU maybe takes off and starts getting used in some. Some larger, you know. You know, maybe Icarus does have a [00:42:02] Speaker C: grip for it already. I have one. [00:42:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that's what we shot. [00:42:05] Speaker D: I think that's what Corey had when we went to the range. [00:42:07] Speaker A: I was blown away by that gun. I was blown away by that gun when I shot Corey's. He had. It was a metal grip. Actually thought it was a PDP when I shot it. The trigger was that good. It felt that good. There's, like, no recoil. I was. I was thoroughly impressed by that gun. Very cool. You guys have any other. [00:42:28] Speaker D: We're not going to talk about cons of the. [00:42:30] Speaker A: Let's talk cons. [00:42:30] Speaker D: 65. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Nate, pull up a chair. Let me turn you up a little bit here. [00:42:35] Speaker C: That's a big con for Nate. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Let me turn you up here. [00:42:37] Speaker D: Rigor is hot. Garbage. Like. [00:42:40] Speaker C: Oh, here we go. [00:42:41] Speaker D: It is. It's so bad. So bad. The. What did you put in yours? I think tactical triggers, which makes it less terrible. [00:42:51] Speaker A: It's. I think it's significantly better. Is it going to. Is it a PDP or CZ trigger? Absolutely not. [00:42:58] Speaker D: Apex. [00:42:59] Speaker C: No. [00:42:59] Speaker A: Apex. Well, I don't think anything comes close to it. [00:43:01] Speaker D: So. I mean, I don't know. The pdp. [00:43:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:03] Speaker D: Performance trigger is a really good trigger. That's hard to throw up there. Yeah. But I do think that the SRIG SIG trigger, even with a kit, is still just not. It's not about the crisp or whatever. I just don't like the way it feels at all. Like, it's gross. [00:43:21] Speaker C: It's your bias. [00:43:22] Speaker D: I. I'm. I mean, I'm the only one that I have stuck to my gun. I've not bought one. And I. [00:43:27] Speaker C: You're also the one who says the. The Smith m and P 1.0 trigger wasn't that bad. [00:43:32] Speaker D: Oh, I didn't say that. I said that it's. I would say, equally as bad as the. The SIG 365. The new. The new triggers for M and P are. They're not. There's no. [00:43:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:43] Speaker B: The stock trigger. [00:43:44] Speaker D: It's no pdp. It's no. You know, but it's not bad. Yeah. I just. I can't. But I'm not like. I didn't like the 320. You know, the three. Because I feel like it's basically the same to me. [00:43:54] Speaker C: 20 was worse. Way worse. [00:43:56] Speaker D: It feels the same But I think [00:43:58] Speaker B: this triggers when you guys like when you, when you have so many thousands of rounds with a £12 trigger until you get that first trigger pull right then going to anything else was kind of a breeze. [00:44:11] Speaker D: Yeah, sure. [00:44:12] Speaker B: The, the flat face trigger was something that I really did like transitioning away or two from, you know, a curved trigger. [00:44:18] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:44:19] Speaker B: And all of my triggers now are. [00:44:20] Speaker D: I don't think the trigger shoe is bad. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Are flat face. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:24] Speaker D: I have no issue with the trigger, the trigger shoe or anything like that. [00:44:27] Speaker A: I actually like that there's not a dongle in there. [00:44:30] Speaker B: I hate those things or anything like that. I did like two as I was starting out because the Sig was my primary gun. Building up as a shooter at the bottom of the trigger. It has just that little bit of a curve and it was just one of those spots that I could always find where my finger would rest. So for me it was a good trigger to start out with. Now I will say I primarily run the Smith now and the Apex trigger. Nothing compares to it outside of the pdp. I just don't own a pdp. [00:44:57] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't like the look of a pdp but shooting a pdp. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah. The PV is kind of fabulous bulky. So this one did shoot wonder like I, I mag dumped this and I was completely shocked by just how fast I could get the trigger to operate cycle and continue to shoot. [00:45:13] Speaker D: You saw that the camera just adjusted again. [00:45:15] Speaker A: It did. [00:45:16] Speaker B: I think it's going quiet. That's what it's doing. [00:45:18] Speaker D: But why does it adjust on the tripod? [00:45:20] Speaker A: That's odd because the tripod came so. Yes, in that. In the gun that Nate is holding right now, I have a trigger upgrade kit in there from tactical triggers and but really from my, from my memory all it is, there's a shim that goes on both kind of both sides of it. So it takes out a bunch of the, of the take up on the front. [00:45:39] Speaker D: I mean the take up, the take up's not bad. [00:45:40] Speaker A: And it stops some of the past the wall, past the trigger break. It takes some of that out too. I'm trying to remember if it replaced anything else. It's been years since I put that in there. [00:45:51] Speaker D: Trade. [00:45:51] Speaker A: It is significantly better than that, than that trigger. [00:45:54] Speaker C: I think the anomaly here. But I will, I will not upgrade my trigger and a carry gun. I'll upgrade grips and lights and optics and slides and anything else. But if I'm carrying the gun, I am not upgrading internals. [00:46:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I get, I get that week. It's Actually a topic that we could dive into more, I think, I think I went into. I think back in the day me and Dusty went into that on our old podcast. [00:46:18] Speaker B: I could give you a brief example of when and when not to or what to do so that you can confidently carry with an aftermarket trigger. One is make sure you go to an appropriate gunsmith and have them install it and make sure that they are actually qualified for that particular model make and everything. And they know how to do it. So they don't shave, trim or do anything on your trigger that's going to. It can eventually cause some, some issues or potential issues down the road. And don't have a friend install it or don't watch a YouTube video and install it and think that that's 100% ready to go. If you're going to carry it, go have it double checked. It's always good to have a second set of eyes as you've been adamant with me and taught me that over the years. Second set of eyes on things, right. Because I put it in an aftermarket trigger, the Apex Tactical. It's well known, it works amazing in wonders and it's for the Smith and Wesson. Now the person that put it in was a gunsmith and the person shaved the trigger enough to the point that Apex contacted me and said, why did you do this? I said I didn't. I paid for it to be installed. So they sent me a replacement, a brand new trigger and I had it installed somewhere else. Now to caveat that I went to the range, I was shooting a match in a classifier. Of course I go to shoot and I get a dead squishy trigger and then a lock trigger, meaning that the trigger just seized up. And then as we're standing there and I'm pointing down range and we're still, I'm trying to get it to fire intentionally. We've stopped, you know, the course of fire. Couldn't get it to go. And then all of a sudden it went. And that was one of those that in the wintertime I carry my Smith because I shoot the most proficient with it. However, I would not at that time carry that gun, shoot that gun or do anything with it because of that trigger. And I definitely wouldn't be putting it appendix. [00:48:04] Speaker A: That's just my, my tip is your reasons more. More illegal. [00:48:07] Speaker C: No, no, it's pure like I don't want the gun to malfunction, especially pointed at my crotch. And I have seen, I don't know, 4, 5, 6 guns malfunction. In training classes, I've seen guns go off. On drawing, I've seen guns. I've seen one gun do double taps because they had an aftermarket. [00:48:27] Speaker D: That's a feature. [00:48:28] Speaker A: Come on, [00:48:30] Speaker C: pull the trigger and it was pop, pop. [00:48:32] Speaker D: I see nothing wrong with that. [00:48:34] Speaker C: Yeah. I have seen 320s go off. I've seen. Yeah, I. It's usually modified Glock triggers mostly because that's the, the most common one. You get a tactical Timmy trigger or whatever. [00:48:45] Speaker B: Random and putting it in the wrong generation. [00:48:47] Speaker A: Sure. [00:48:48] Speaker C: If, if I'm pulling out the gun and I need it for self defense, I don't care if it's a pound lighter. I just want the gun to go bang. [00:48:55] Speaker A: That's a fair opinion. But yeah, I honestly don't think it's. I don't think there's a wrong opinion. [00:48:59] Speaker D: No. [00:49:00] Speaker A: On this. There's different comfort levels and I've heard of, of, you know, legally too. That's where I thought maybe you're going to go. Is is carrying a modified gun to make it more deadly. There's been. [00:49:12] Speaker C: That would happen in Rhode Island. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it would happen in Rhode Island. And honestly I do think that is something to consider. Yeah. Depending on where you live and how good your lawyer is. Because you can. There's the argument that can be made. It's not more deadly. It's. It is more precise to make sure that whatever I'm shooting at, there's no, you know. Yeah, there's no. What's the word? [00:49:34] Speaker C: I don't have a full of puppies behind the bad guy. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Right. There's not a nun that gets hit the background because I made it more precise. So yeah, there's. There's a whole legal side of thing too. [00:49:43] Speaker B: Well, that was the whole thing about customization too is like when you start to modify a gun and now you have a $3,000 pistol with multicam seracode and lasers and lights and everything. And then you get involved in a, a deadly shooting. Right. And maybe it's justified or not, but you stand before a judge and you stand before a jury, they're going to look at it and they're going to look at your, you know, your history and your social media like, oh, this guy trains like, why didn't he de escalate? Why didn't he go to the last ditch effort before he drew his gun? [00:50:14] Speaker C: Right. [00:50:14] Speaker B: Like this guy was know, like they say when somebody breaks into the house, what do we do? We're all excited. Put it on night vision. Because it's a moment Right. [00:50:20] Speaker A: It's finally happening. [00:50:21] Speaker C: Right. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Finally happening. But that can be used against you in the quarter law too. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, but they can spin anything. [00:50:27] Speaker D: I was going to say. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Nowadays. [00:50:28] Speaker D: Here's the problem, though. Like, it doesn't. For us, it doesn't matter what you do. Like, you could. The. The same guy could go into the court two different times with the same gun in the same situation, and they're going to run a different scenario. They're going to point at a different thing. I understand that argument. I've looked into it. It actually is not as frequent as you might think that they're like, oh, you modified this, or Yeah. I mean, if you had something obscene lasered into your gun or something that. Okay. [00:50:57] Speaker C: Punisher. [00:50:57] Speaker B: So there's a video of you turning the laser on a person. [00:51:00] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, there's things like that that could potentially get you in trouble. But I don't think modifying the trigger is ultimately going to be an issue. And to be honest with you, most lawyers probably can't figure that out. [00:51:11] Speaker B: No. They won't even know. [00:51:12] Speaker D: But. No, I mean, honestly. So going back to what we were talking about before, like the cons of the gun, the only thing that I actually don't like about the Sig and this is not exclusive to the 365. I also don't like the 320 trigger. Is the trigger outside of that. It's a great gun. The aftermarket support is awesome. You can get really whatever gun. Like, honestly, this gun that Michael has built with the Icarus frame, the Arc division slide is an awesome gun. [00:51:38] Speaker A: You seem to put that trigger kit. [00:51:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:51:40] Speaker A: I mean, they got trigger. [00:51:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:51:43] Speaker D: It has a nice weight. It feels really good in your hand. It's smooth. Everything about this is a awesome, awesome gun. [00:51:50] Speaker B: It shoots like butter too. [00:51:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:52] Speaker B: The ported slide and barrel on it really. And just the. The metal, everything metal adds such a good weight for it. [00:51:58] Speaker A: It is hefty. I would not want to carry that. And that be. [00:52:00] Speaker B: I wouldn't carry with that. [00:52:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:52:02] Speaker A: I mean, I just noticed that beaver tail. [00:52:04] Speaker D: There's a few things about it that may not make it perfect, but it's. You can do some really neat stuff with the365. Will I buy one? No. Nope. [00:52:14] Speaker C: What does Smith bought? Sig. And it's now a Smith P365. [00:52:18] Speaker D: I probably still wouldn't. I mean, it actually has nothing to do with the brand. Truly. I don't have a. [00:52:24] Speaker A: If there was an Apex trigger for that, that was just as good As a M and P trigger, it would [00:52:28] Speaker D: apex probably more likely to. Yeah. I just. [00:52:33] Speaker B: If that gun had Apex trigger. Wow. [00:52:36] Speaker D: Well, and I don't, you know, some gunsmith out there probably would probably tear this apart. I know that the trigger is different than like the Smith or the Glock from a perspective of the working parts of it. Which is one of the arguments. That is why it's hard to like you have the tactical triggers kit. Most people say there's just limitations to how crispy you can make that. That trigger because of its design. Yeah. Someone go in the comments and tell me I'm wrong. I don't know. That's what I've been told anyways. So there's just limitations to it. But if you can make the trigger super crispy, I'd be more inclined to. But I also. Yeah, I'm a Smith fanboy. [00:53:13] Speaker C: That's. [00:53:13] Speaker D: There's no, no question about that. I like my Smiths. They, they run really well and fantastic guns. It's a great gun. So that's just the one that I'm probably going to stick with. I have limited funds. I can't buy every. I would have one of everything if I could. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:53:26] Speaker D: Even a SIG 365. But my budget doesn't allow that. So I'm gonna stick with what I know and like and enjoy. [00:53:34] Speaker C: If, if you hit the lottery today, would you buy a P320 though? [00:53:38] Speaker D: Absolutely not. [00:53:40] Speaker C: You said every gun. [00:53:41] Speaker D: Okay, sorry. Almost every gun. [00:53:43] Speaker B: Almost every gun. [00:53:45] Speaker C: If you had to, would you rather carry a High point or a P320? [00:53:48] Speaker D: High point 100. [00:53:50] Speaker B: Wow. [00:53:50] Speaker D: No, no hesitation. [00:53:52] Speaker A: No hesitation. [00:53:53] Speaker D: None. None. Listen, it might blow up in my hand when I'm shooting it, but it's not. I've never heard anyone getting shot through the pants with it with their own gun, with it holstered. [00:54:04] Speaker A: It's true. [00:54:05] Speaker D: Just saying. [00:54:06] Speaker C: I'll say that. High point in 10 millimeter. Laugh and joke all you want. That was one of my favorite reviews. [00:54:14] Speaker D: See, there you go. [00:54:15] Speaker C: I was at the range with a high point 10 millimeter and a $5,000 nighthawk. And I was like, you know. [00:54:22] Speaker D: Yeah, why not? Why not? [00:54:25] Speaker A: Yeah. High Points. The first gun I ever air racked. [00:54:29] Speaker D: Well, that's because it's got a 25 pound slide. It's a boulder on top of the. [00:54:33] Speaker A: And the spring grip. [00:54:34] Speaker D: Yeah. And there's no spring. [00:54:35] Speaker A: Like a spring out of like a Bic. [00:54:36] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:54:37] Speaker A: Pen. No. [00:54:39] Speaker D: So I mean the365, it gives you all the options you could possibly want from A perspective of slides and grips. You can have it ported, you can have it non ported, you can have it polymer, you can have it metal, you can do whatever man. And it's. I just think that's pretty fantastic. Like I wish we, I wish all guns had that option. [00:54:59] Speaker A: I want to see is the only thing left. I want to see. I want to see a five inch version of this or maybe four. And well, what's the fuse or something? [00:55:09] Speaker D: What's the length of the fuse? [00:55:10] Speaker A: What's the fuse? [00:55:11] Speaker D: Because I feel like the fuse has got to be at least four and a quarter if not more. [00:55:17] Speaker A: 4.3. [00:55:18] Speaker D: Okay. [00:55:19] Speaker A: So pertinent let's say. [00:55:21] Speaker D: I mean I would imagine that that will be an option at some point. Someone, if Sig doesn't do it, someone will make a five inch version. Why not? Yeah. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Hey, you're already 4.3. What's another point? 7.7. [00:55:36] Speaker B: Come on, it's nothing. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Who'd even notice? [00:55:40] Speaker D: Yeah, so I mean I really don't have. All jokes aside, my, my simple con, it's not that big a deal outside of that like it's a great gun. I've not seen one in recent history fail. They seem to work out any of their issues that they had before and they seem like great guns. And I love the aftermarket support that it has for it. That's pretty cool. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Well, if anybody has stuck around this long, I'm going to give you guys a. Give you guys a little tears teaser. So we are working on some Mag bases for the 365 platform. The one I'm holding here goes on a 17 round mag and this is to to work with the OG10 round grip 365. So it's going to help you carry a 17 round mag in your pocket. Probably, probably not going to put it in the, in the gun. And it has some of the other, some of the features that we really like from our, from our staccato magazine with mag base. It has the cutout for the neomag to, to fit in there. So this is going to sit nice and deep in your pocket. We machine this out of aluminum. So that honestly adds a little bit of weight, kind of helps it drop out of your gun quicker. We actually put a little finger swell on the front of this. So on that tenure on grip your, your pinky goes into this, into the swell on this mag base really nicely. So very excited about this. I've got two others that I worked on this week for some other options. So that is something that. That we'll have in the next. Probably a couple months. Something like that. [00:57:12] Speaker D: Something like that. [00:57:13] Speaker A: Maybe start rolling those out. So, yeah, if you stuck around this long into the episode, an hour into the. Into the podcast, then there you go. You get a little sneak peek, teaser, [00:57:23] Speaker D: Sig support, aftermarket support. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Yeah. All right. Do you still have the Faith and Fuel? [00:57:29] Speaker D: I'm sure I do. [00:57:30] Speaker A: We haven't used these sounders in a while. We're going to wrap up today's episode with Faith and Fuel segment. Faith anchors us. [00:57:38] Speaker D: Fuel drives us. [00:57:39] Speaker C: Let's open God's word and find the wisdom we need to live it out every day. [00:57:47] Speaker A: So today I pulled a scripture out of Second Peter. So I'm going to start in verse, verse three. I'm going to kind of read in two sections here. Verse three says, his divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge, knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these, he has given us his very great and precious promises so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. So I put down a couple notes here, but if there's anything that stands out to you guys, I'd love for you guys to chime in. One of the first things that. That I noticed I pulled out of this is that God has given us everything that we need by knowing Him. And it's not just like knowing about him, but truly knowing Him. So verse three again. So his divine nature has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. And the next thing that really stuck out to me is that he calls us. He loves us so much that he's given us everything that we need through knowing Him. And that's through. Through studying scripture and through worship and prayer and all those ways that we get to communicate with Him. He calls us. I just think that's so amazing that the Creator of everything, the God of everything, has given us everything that we need. And he's called us in that. Okay, you're gonna say something? [00:59:27] Speaker D: No, I'm trying. Well, I'm thinking through something. I'm not ready. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Gotcha. So my question is just from these first two verses, and then we're gonna get through five through nine, but just with this knowledge, what do you guys, like, how does this hopefully, like, affect the way that you look at life and look at God? You guys have any thoughts on that? [01:00:02] Speaker C: I do. When you Put in the notes. How does this change the way we live? That really stuck out to me. Like Greg and I have talked about it a little bit. But I am trying very hard to look at the world the way Jesus would see. So every single person I interact with, every single interaction, the things that annoy me, the type of people that bother me, whatever, like my, the things that trigger my. [01:00:26] Speaker A: We're sitting right here. [01:00:27] Speaker C: Yes, you three, right there get on my nerves more than anyone else. And how would Jesus to try to see not only the world but every person you interact with the way Jesus would see them? And it is not easy to do. We all have those triggers that you know that those sins and. And that negative outlook on things. So trying to lean on God to give me the strength and the love to see everyone and everything the way Jesus would. It's not easy. But that's what I am currently working on and will for a long time, I'm sure. [01:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And we're going to kind of talk about that a little bit further down here is like all of this, like we don't ever really. We will never hit this level of like I nailed this. I'm done. Yeah, that's never going to happen. That doesn't happen. It is a constant battle. And I think he talks about that in verse four. He kind of alludes to that is that there's. That the corruption in the world is caused by. By evil desires. And those evil desires don't ever fully go away. Like those are. Paul talks about our flesh versus our soul. Like our flesh is always going to struggle with these things and we're always going to struggle with these desires. But again we see in verse three that Jesus gave us everything that we need. God gave us everything that we need to have a godly life through him calling us into that. Do you have anything to add to this before I move? No, go ahead, bud. So picking up at verse five for this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith. Goodness. And to goodness. Knowledge. And to knowledge. Self control. And to self control. Perseverance. And to perseverance. Godliness. And to godliness. Mutual affection. And to mutual affection. Love for you possess these qualities and increasing measure that they. They will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins. So I kind of want to start with. He has this. I think it's like an eight, eight step plan here of, of a, of a process. And I am going to kind of jump ahead here of, of that, that he does. Where is it he does say? And yeah, so in verse 8 it says, for you possess these qualities in increasing measure. So as we seek God, as we, as we get to know him more, these are going to increase. And again, we'll never like no Christian is ever like, yeah, like we're never there. The only, the only person that's been there is Jesus. It's the only one that's ever like made it. But he never even had to go through this to get there because he was perfect. But so I kind of want to go through this and kind of break this down a little bit. So this step by step to growth and each one of these, I believe, I think we have all of these. It's not like you don't get, you don't necessarily always get the next one until you get the previous one. Does that make sense? [01:03:47] Speaker D: I think yeah, it's not something that you have to do in this order to achieve these things. [01:03:52] Speaker A: But yeah, all of these things increase together I think is a point here. So it begins with faith. All this has to start with faith in Jesus that we believe that he is a perfect son of God who came and gave his life for us. And that faith in him, he has washed away our sins. And just that faith in the truth of Jesus, then pursuing God, we look more like him, which is goodness. The more like God we are, the more good we are. And then the next thing is being more like God, we get to know him more. So the more that you spend with somebody who let's say is skilled at something, is good at something, right? Like a teacher of any sort, the more time that you spend with that, the more like that you're going to be right. So the more we get to, the more time we spend with God, the more we should look like him, the more goodness that we should have. And then being more like God, we get to know him more. Yes, that's where I left off. So then knowing him more creates more self control. And I put my nose, how much do we need this? I know I need more self control. Like knowing him more creates more self control. The more we are like him, the more good we are. Right? Because you can't have goodness and lack self control at the same time. Those, those kind of counter each other. So the more more we are like God, the more self control we have then. And I found this quote, this is, this is not now. Maybe I'm not gonna take credit for it, but short term discipline creates long term perseverance. And you can apply this to a lot of different things. You can apply this to your relationships, to business, to work to, and most of all, your fitness. Fitness? Yeah, like anything that you have, short term discipline is going to create long term perseverance. And it's just, it's absolutely the same thing with your walk with God. So then the next one is godliness. And this is where I kind of wanted to back up a little bit and list out all the ones we've talked about so far. Faith, goodness, knowledge, self control and perseverance. All of these things then lead to godliness. And I put down the question, how does this look in daily life if you just imagine embodying all these things, faith, goodness, knowledge, self control, perseverance, how's that going to look to the world around us, like to the people around us if we truly embody all those things? [01:06:33] Speaker D: I mean, you as a person look much, much different. You know, your interactions with those that frustrate you. So going back to taking Tib's example of working on triggers, working on all of those things. If you're approaching your trigger person or your trigger person or trigger attitude or whatever you want to say is approaching you and you're embodying all of these things, you're not going to be screaming and yelling at them. You're not, you're going to treat them with love, patience, which are, you know, going with self control. You're going to have some perseverance in moving through an interaction with them as opposed to just walking away from it. I mean, all of those things make you completely different than the world would expect you to be. You know, because the world would say just either avoid it or confront it, right? And this is saying neither of those things. It's not asking, it's not telling you to avoid it and it's not telling you to confront it either. It's just to be there. So that looks much different than what the world, world's approach would be to those things. [01:07:42] Speaker A: I'm looking at the last thing here. So all of these are. So I kind of noticed in my notes. So I kind of noticed, like all of these so far are internal things. These are all things that we work on internally and with God. And because of that, it then overflows into your outward godliness, right? And that outward godliness creates love and mutual affection. Because next thing is, I do like how he separates mutual affection and love. You know, I thought that was interesting. I think a mutual affection to me is just kind of a step down from truly, you know, loving somebody. And sometimes that's where things have to start. You know, we are called to love everybody, but I think this even kind of gives us a little bit of grace there and knowing that we aren't necessarily going to always perfectly love everybody, but if we can have mutual affection [01:08:42] Speaker B: for one another, mutual affection, it's a [01:08:46] Speaker C: step in the right direction. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Right. [01:08:48] Speaker B: I think something too that kind of speaks on godliness and maybe it's a part of the key points that you put in here, but it was one thing that we talked about at service and something that Jesus mentions a lot in the Bible. And even upon his resurrection, he was like, peace be with you. You seek God to find rest in him, and then you find peace. And I think one thing that we could add to this too is from the faith, the goodness, the knowledge, self control and perseverance to equal godliness. And in that equalness of godliness, you find peace and rest. And let that be comfort. That's just the whole. I read this like four times. I even chatgpt how many times Jesus spoke about peace in the Bible. But that was the first thing that came to me and it kind of resonated from the service. At the end of the day, to walk in faith, you gain so much knowledge. And that knowledge is wisdom, calmness, peace. And the discipline comes with, like you said, from working out in the gym. But if you repeat something over and over, it's not insanity if you're doing it with an intent and, and a driven purpose of walking like the Creator. You know, it would never be perfect, but we can always strive to be the best person and the best version with the help of a helping hand. [01:10:03] Speaker D: Well, I don't think we can't forget verse eight, I think says a lot. So if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. If you think about that from that perspective, what is the call? The ultimate call of Christ is to spread the Gospel, his good word, to bring others to him. And I think that to me is a big part of this whole thing. So yeah, we need to be trying to increase all of these things, but what's the goal? It's not just to be a better person, right? Honestly, there's plenty of things that will make you a better person. It's not about that. It's about improving yourself so that you can more effectively utilize this Knowledge. Right. That's what it's saying. So that you're not. It keeps you from being ineffective and unproductive. Well, if it's trying to keep you from being ineffective and unproductive, then the goal is to be effective and productive. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Right. [01:11:05] Speaker D: Like, that is the goal of this knowledge. So if we're building all these things, what are we building it up to? Not just to be. I'm the best version of Nate. Honestly, Christ never asked me. [01:11:16] Speaker A: What good does that do? Yeah, great. Yeah. [01:11:17] Speaker D: Christ never asked me to be the best version of me. In fact, he loves me where I'm at. But the call, his call of spreading his gospel and loving others and bringing them to the gospel, that's where the effective and productive part of this knowledge and all of these things that he's asking us to achieve comes into play. Because if we're not achieving those things, then we're not going to be effective in trying to spread the gospel and bring other people to the. To home. Right? [01:11:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, no, that's good. [01:11:50] Speaker B: Yeah. It's. It's not you. It's. It's being like the Father. It's walking in his. In his shoes. [01:11:57] Speaker A: Yep. [01:11:58] Speaker D: And. And there's a reason for it. Again, like, it's not just to be the best version of yourself. You're not trying to. I'm going to achieve Jesus hood, but not help anybody support his blessings out. Like, there's a goal in improving in all these things. And it's not just to be the best version of me. [01:12:18] Speaker A: To spread the Gospel and love others. Right. And then I think verse nine, it's kind of a stark warning, so. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins. And my notes that I put down here is that we'll never forget, never forget God's greatest gift of forgiveness and salvation. That should be the thing that drives us the most to want all of these things and to do all these things and to spread the gospel is we know in faith, we've experienced, and we just did this with Easter. Like, what it's all about is experienced the saving grace that we do not deserve the mercy and grace that we do not deserve. And that should change everything about us and how we treat others and how we look at others and how we seek to be like God and to know him more. Because the fact that we get called into this, the fact that he calls us into experiencing this with him, it just blows my mind. He wants to give us all of these things. He wants to give us goodness, knowledge, self control, perseverance, godliness, love. And these are all things that I really believe all people want. I think it's inside of us. We all want all of these things. But to your point, I think a lot of times we want those things because we just want to for ourselves. Yeah, we want it for ourselves. We want to make ourselves feel better so we can tell people how good we are or we can feel about how good we are, but it's not for us. It's in response to being cleansed for our pest sins. That should be the driving thing in all this. Yeah, you guys are good. Any other thoughts on that? [01:14:16] Speaker C: You'd be proud of me. I only used my angry horn in my car one time this year. I'm doing good, so. Nate laughs because he knows that's one of my triggers. Driving is an absolute trigger, especially in Rhode Island. Drivers are awful and it makes me way more angry than I should and I've been trying to let it go and I've only used angry horn one time. [01:14:38] Speaker D: For context. He only drives twice a year, so [01:14:42] Speaker A: he works from home. I don't know where you're driving. [01:14:45] Speaker C: Oh, goodness. [01:14:48] Speaker A: All right, well, thank you all for listening today. We hope that today's episode was worth your hour and 20 minutes or so. [01:14:59] Speaker D: Thanks for tuning in to Life, Liberty and Equipped if today's conversation challenged you, encourage you, or help you get more equipped to pursue your mission, share it with a friend, drop a comment, and leave us a review. [01:15:10] Speaker A: Don't forget that hit. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button and leave a review. What takes a few seconds to help turns into more opportunities to reach new people. 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